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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jun 9, 2009 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Is There An I Hate "Black Throated Wind" Club?

Well, let's us start one cause I am going on record as saying I skip over the song every freakin' time - great CD from the Rheinhalle 4.24.72 and sure enough track 4 drives me up the wall. It's gotten to the point I am avoiding shows altogether. Really, even Weir shelved the song, talking about not relating to the lyrics. Sour and somber and rather they had played jack straw or bobby mcgee...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

I like BTW, but, like too many Weir tunes, it out lasted it's welcome . In those 72-74 shows , you do get a lot of the same songs . I mean it's one thing to hear Playing almost every show, But another to hear BTW , etc.
At least it didn't get the "Vegas" treatment that Looks Like Rain got in the post Keith & Donna days . He became less, and less, sensitive to the meaning of the lyrics; a modest, and beautiful song of loss, to a lowest common denominator screamfest, "No more Fucking rain "... , etc. If I am making a c.d. and need to clip off a song to make it fit, this is usually a front runner .

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

can't join that club. I like the 70's versions and honestly it was a refreshing addition to the 90's setlists.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 10, 2009 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

The National Anthemn would be refreshing addition to a 90s setlist....but agree the 70s versions were very cool

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 10, 2009 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

The National Anthemn would be refreshing addition to a 90s setlist....but agree the 70s versions were very cool

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 10, 2009 11:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

The National Anthemn would be refreshing addition to a 90s setlist....but agree the 70s versions were very cool

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Poster: UncleBruce Date: Jun 10, 2009 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

I also like BTW, the lyrics are awkward but have grown on me, plus the 90's versions are good for the simple but roaring sonic build up at the end wit Bobby "goin'back home". this does not happen each time but when it does, a welcome edition. The same thing can be said for LL Rain, lyrics smothered in cheese but the circular built up endings can be swell.

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Poster: 31rhodium Date: Jun 11, 2009 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Speaking of lyrics in Looks Like Rain, what about the line: "Have you ever awoken to the sound of street cats making love". Hunh?!?!?!?! That has to be the most ridiculous line of lyrics ever. Reminds of the time my girlfriend at the time (now my wife) and I were in NO at Mardi Gras staying at a friends house and 2 cats were howling at each other 1st thing in the morning. Yea, there's street cats making love. How can Bob sing that without cracking up or thinking - wtf???

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 9, 2009 11:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Not one of my favorites and I usually skip it too but I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about it as you.

My hate clubs involve any Brent or Vince tunes. I don't understand all the shit Bob gets from some people but cheesy garbage like Easy to Love You, Tons of Crap, I will make you want to go home get passes?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 10, 2009 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Definitely not one of Weir's better songs (especially when he cranks up the vocal histrionics at the end) but it doesn’t rate an “auto skip” for me the way “I Will Take You Home” or “Easy To Love You” does. But most of the GD songs I consider truly awful (“Wave To the Wind”, “If the Shoe Fits”, “Samba In the Rain”, “The Other Sucky Welnick-era Tunes I Can’t Think of Because They Sucked”, etc) come from an era I rarely listen to.

Is this whole discussion just Deadheads bitchin’ because they have nothing better to do? Sure, but that’s part of what makes this forum fun. I can get plenty of “the Grateful Dead were perfection and to say anything bad about them is un-kind” elsewhere.

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Poster: huntr Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

IN

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Poster: BobsShortShorts Date: Jun 9, 2009 10:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Put Bobbie Mcboring on that list for me....

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jun 10, 2009 2:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Naah - feel free to send them all to me (in any format you are able to). I can listen to these all day long and often do. Must admit when I was a lot younger (in short shorts) I didn't see anything special in 'Me and Bobby McGee" but as I grew up (no dig intended) it just grew on me. Somewhere I have a version where Jerry yodels during the crooning at the end but can I find it? Thought it might have been during the Berkeley(71/72)or Fillmore East (April 71) runs but not so. Maybe in one of the Portland (71) shows - I'll nail the f*cker one day! And BTW (not by the way!), there's plenty of sour grapes in my past so I can sing along with that one all day long too - ya gotta walk the blues to talk the blues!!!! Let's just agree to differ but wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the same thing !!!!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

I love BTW. Now, this week, I have listened to shows from '72, '73, '77 and '81 and ALL of them ended with Sugar Magnolia. Where's the hate for that overplayed chestnut? That's the one I find myself skipping most these days...

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

I must confess that I skip over a lot of songs.In fact the percentage of songs that I skip becomes greater as the eras progress.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jun 10, 2009 11:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

i used to hate sing me back home, then one time i was listening and it kind of grew on me. weird how that works sometimes.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 10, 2009 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

That's how I feel about The Promised Land, which wasn't a fave in the past, but is now A Chuck Berry cover I can tolerate and even enjoy (don't tell Tidewater)
:-)

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Heh Styro - the first beer is on me !!!!!!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An "I Love The Promised Land" Club?

:)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 10, 2009 5:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Best Bobby McGee ever..

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-03-26.sbd.miller.34787.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Jun 10, 2009 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Thanks for the tip off

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

I don't mean to start a Barlow vs Hunter (cause it ain't even a contest), but these lyrics really bother me:

So I give you my eyes, and all of their lies
Please help them to learn as well as to see
Capture a glance and make it a dance
Of looking at you looking at me.

The way Bob sang the second line makes me think he is handing a couple of puppies to some absolutely destitute blind folk with a his very best do gooder look on his face rather than in some metaphorical space of self evaluation vis-a-vis relationships....I just don't get the imagery.

Barlow never really did it for me.


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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 10, 2009 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

funny - my top two Weir (WRS+BTW) in a thread

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

The brightest moment of the Weir/Barlow songwriting team came with Weather Report Suite and Eric Anderson is credited with Part 1, Barlow with Let It Grow.

I've always maintained that Wake of the Flood was the finest studio offering, primarily due to the fact that WRS is Weirs best work, and it was thematically challenging for the band. That, and the fact that no other typically sophomoric love ballads were on the record.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

Yeah, I can see that...As short and sweet as it is, and of course, one my favorite "vehicles", OOne has a special place in my heart (there you go...Sophomoric if ever it was!), but WRS is pretty good for being out of my era.

SugMag of course, is up there too...hard not to like it as one of the better of the genre. And as much bad press as it gets, I did always like M&MU, though I think Contract and BigIron are better vehicles (damn...thesaurus?) for the basic tale to be told.

Funny thing is I don't even know that I have ever heard songs folks mention elsewhere in this thread, like "Samba" which just sounds bad on the face of it...like a Brubeck tune (those guys get away with using titles like that, appropriately).

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

I hadn't thought of the OO, and rank it higher than Sugarmag and Playing...but none of the Dead stuff compares to the real cheese to be found on Heaven Help the Fool.

"Contract" is probably one of the best pedal steel tunes ever played and a great cowboy song to boot. Of the NRPS stuff, my personal favorite is the least accessible which would be the "Mighty Time" LP...lot's of great Jerry guitar playing.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2009 9:45am
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Ha--funny story on that one (HHTFool)...rumaging thru the used record bins on Telegraph...see Bob's clean cut face..."WTF?!?" sez I, and buy it for a BUCK!

I had no idea he was "up" to anything, and it turns out the record I bought was literally purchased on the day it came out, and sold BACK the next day, and I bought it on day three...

Never did get much play time.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2009 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

Damn...one of these years the two of us are going to have build a nice big fire of mesquite on some high cold plain and discuss western movies and tunes thru the night with some of Mando or Rob's fine booze...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WTF? Nobody did this yet?

Well, MAMU was written by Papa John Philips... who could turn a phrase or two if he wanted to!

"With a bottle in each hand
too late to try to understand
We don't care where it lands,
we just throw it!"

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Poster: waynecs Date: Jun 10, 2009 12:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Deadheads can be such whiny bitches that I'm sure one already exists.

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Poster: snori Date: Jun 10, 2009 3:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

I'm quite happy to hear BTW. The tracks I skip are 'El Paso' and 'Around & around'.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jun 10, 2009 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

I like El Paso. Mostly I like the story, the tempo, and how Jerry jams all the way through it.

BTW can be kinda lame, but I rarely skip it. What hurts it for me is that there really isn't any jam to speak of.

Around and Around is usually somewhat of a letdown, though it often pays off if you stick with it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:14am
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El Paso, a bit like M&MU, just got old for me...Bob sings the other cowboy tunes like BIron better I always thought since he cant do Robbins on Paso but can with BIron...

I really like the 70s shows with marmaduke harmonizing on M&MU to break it up a bit, mamatried too.

I think my fav of the group though is Contract with Torbert...perfect tone for the story, vocal and guitar wise...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 10, 2009 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Like snowandrain I have to say that I like El Paso, I think it's a great song. I do agree with you that Bobby definitely can't do Marty - but I'm right with s'n'r in loving the way Garcia's guitar just dances through it.

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Jun 11, 2009 9:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

count me in

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 10, 2009 3:41am
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I would certainly join this club. Between this and Looks Like Rain, I'm not sure which song is more loathsome. Bobby McGee is at least slightly more bearable.
The country covers & Chuck Berry songs, I'm not too thrilled about either, but they fill time OK and suit Weir's voice better.
I will admit, though, to an inordinate fondness for Me & Me Uncle....

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jun 10, 2009 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Not I.

I think that the Barlow/Weir combination of jazzy chord changes, along with some maybe a bit saccharine lyrics (often) but also meaningful (often) worked for me. I think that the pace changing element of these JPB compositions helped in the timing of a show.

I have very many Looks Like Rain moments as well...

As a very devout fan of Jerry's stuff with Hunter, I also admit to loving all the Bobby solo stuff as well. Heaven Help the Fool, though probably the most dated of all his solo stuff, as it fits squarely in the mid-late seventies sound, still hits my playlist regularly.

So, in short, Nope.

I love it...

As I've said on many occasions, what moves me in many ways is the thing... Warts and All.

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Jun 10, 2009 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

This may not be safe for work but I call it deep throated wind. and yes then I smile and skip right on over it. at least it gets a positive light on it some how!

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jun 10, 2009 7:20pm
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"I've got to make it to Rosa's back door"

ooh, err, Mrs !!!!!!!!!

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Poster: Leonard Liotta Instructor English Date: Jun 12, 2009 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

My input into the thread is that it departs from the song BTW; fine, but to old deadheads who wore out the record grooves on Europe '72--collecting all the Europe 72's shows the evoution of Weir's LLR. At its inception Jerry played pedal steel and if any of you have the Copenhagen show (4-14-72) you hear the beauty and tenderness Jerry lends to the song; especially at the end.

It is by far IMO the truest reading of LLR. A close 2nd is 7-26-87 version in 2nd set following "Shakedown." Jerry's fills, in back of Weirs repetitive line, is awesome--sounding like rain getting more, and more intense as it fals: true poetry.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jun 12, 2009 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Have you heard the LLR from 7/18/76? Bob & Donna seem to really inhabit the characters of the song.... if only for a minute. And Jerry is great, as usual when he is free to just play....

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Poster: DrasticaI lmprovement Date: Jun 10, 2009 5:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

What the fuck. Don't you bitches have anything better to do than whine all fucking day long.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jun 10, 2009 6:06am
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hell no tito...bitch & whine over bitchin & whinin.
Is there an "I hate Tito" club?

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Poster: DrasticaI lmprovement Date: Jun 10, 2009 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

You guys are a bunch of numbnuts. You should start a club called The Dead From the Neck Up Dick Heads.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jun 10, 2009 6:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is There An I Hate 'Black Throated Wind' Club?

Aren't you being just a touch tautological in that the term 'dead head' would already seem to imply being 'dead from the neck up'?

I only ask.

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Poster: DrasticaI lmprovement Date: Jun 10, 2009 6:42am
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Its good to see your still beating your dicktionary everyday.


Hey, when you gonna send back my 'forearms of steel' video?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 10, 2009 11:45pm
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Viral infection